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		<title>Comment on Catholic &amp; Mormon Concepts of Infallibility by Christian</title>
		<link>http://contrarianmormon.wordpress.com/2009/10/18/catholic-mormon-concepts-of-infallibility/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
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		<description>The LDS doctrine of Common Consent requires that a doctrine be accepted by the body of the church before it becomes scripture.  And that&#039;s only after it&#039;s been accepted by the first presidency and unanimously by the Quorum of the twelve.  D&amp;C 50 and other scriptures make clear that we have the power and duty to discern truth from error, through the spirit.

Thus, even if a prophet taught racist and bizarre doctrines back in the 1800s, the fact that he didn&#039;t have a full quorum behind them, prevented these doctrines from becoming church doctrines.  Thus the church was not led astray.  That&#039;s the way the church has always worked.  It sometimes takes us a few generations to figure something out, and God isn&#039;t done with us yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LDS doctrine of Common Consent requires that a doctrine be accepted by the body of the church before it becomes scripture.  And that&#8217;s only after it&#8217;s been accepted by the first presidency and unanimously by the Quorum of the twelve.  D&amp;C 50 and other scriptures make clear that we have the power and duty to discern truth from error, through the spirit.</p>
<p>Thus, even if a prophet taught racist and bizarre doctrines back in the 1800s, the fact that he didn&#8217;t have a full quorum behind them, prevented these doctrines from becoming church doctrines.  Thus the church was not led astray.  That&#8217;s the way the church has always worked.  It sometimes takes us a few generations to figure something out, and God isn&#8217;t done with us yet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Catholic &amp; Mormon Concepts of Infallibility by mahonri</title>
		<link>http://contrarianmormon.wordpress.com/2009/10/18/catholic-mormon-concepts-of-infallibility/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>mahonri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does it mean to be led astray?  Wilford Woodruff said that no man could lead the Saints astray, Heber C. Kimball said no man could be led astray who doesn&#039;t want to be, and the scriptures say that he could give a prophet the wrong information (strong delusion) to test us.  We must also remember that (as Joseph Smith taught) a prophet is only a prophet when acting as such.  So perhaps the power to lead astray is only within us.  If we are living up to our covenants, and if we have personal revelation then we cannot be led astray by anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does it mean to be led astray?  Wilford Woodruff said that no man could lead the Saints astray, Heber C. Kimball said no man could be led astray who doesn&#8217;t want to be, and the scriptures say that he could give a prophet the wrong information (strong delusion) to test us.  We must also remember that (as Joseph Smith taught) a prophet is only a prophet when acting as such.  So perhaps the power to lead astray is only within us.  If we are living up to our covenants, and if we have personal revelation then we cannot be led astray by anyone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Catholic &amp; Mormon Concepts of Infallibility by hermite2000</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Mormon I feel that it is up to each of us to gain personal testimony of the truthfulness of the Church and its Prophet. If the Church is true and the current prophet is a Prophet, then Christ would never lead that Prophet &quot;astray&quot;. Does that mean that the Prophet, a man, is perfect and infallible, no. I believe that when acting as the Prophet he will do so infallibly. It is up to us to use the guidance of the Spirit to help up discern when he speaks as a Prophet and to follow. Thus we are not lemmings following our Prophet blindly, but actually the opposite. We follow whole heartily with our eyes, ears, minds, and hearts wide open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Mormon I feel that it is up to each of us to gain personal testimony of the truthfulness of the Church and its Prophet. If the Church is true and the current prophet is a Prophet, then Christ would never lead that Prophet &#8220;astray&#8221;. Does that mean that the Prophet, a man, is perfect and infallible, no. I believe that when acting as the Prophet he will do so infallibly. It is up to us to use the guidance of the Spirit to help up discern when he speaks as a Prophet and to follow. Thus we are not lemmings following our Prophet blindly, but actually the opposite. We follow whole heartily with our eyes, ears, minds, and hearts wide open.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tithing &#8211; A Regressive Tax? by Tithing, Charity &#38; the Poor &#171; The Contrarian Mormon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tithing, Charity &#38; the Poor &#171; The Contrarian Mormon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Tithing &#8211; on Gross, Net, or Surplus? by Tithing, Charity &#38; the Poor &#171; The Contrarian Mormon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tithing, Charity &#38; the Poor &#171; The Contrarian Mormon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Tithing &#8211; A Regressive Tax? by mahonri</title>
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		<dc:creator>mahonri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another commentary that might be of interest -

http://www.piney.com/HoTithe3.html</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Church or the Gospel? by SeekingforZion</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeekingforZion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This brings up a much neglected yet much needed point.I am an out-of-state transplant to southern Utah. My family and I are very active in the church. My wife and I have both in the past, and currently hold leadership positions. A most distressing aspect of life here is &quot;Cultural Mormonism.&quot; That is the very point of this essay I believe. Cultural Mormonism is often a far cry from true and active Christianity. 

A few points of Cultural Mormonism:

1. An unreasonable loyalty with a particular political party. Many members refuse to look at the ideas of anyone outside of their party. They often develop an assumption that anyone voting outside the &quot;Mormon-norm,&quot; is somehow less faithful.

2. A nearly cult-like obsession with any comment uttered by a general authority or eead in the Ensign. Nowhere but in Utah will you see someone with a thousand pounds of wheat yet he will not give five dollars to a homeless man at Wal-Mart. 

3.The clannishness of many Utahns is the reason missionary work is harder here than almost anywhere else. Many Utah Mormons are only &quot;Their brother&#039;s keeper,&quot; if he is a viable prospect for baptism.

4.It seems the most extreme, pure capitalists are also in Utah. While capitalism can be a good thing, far too many saints are polytheistic; money is often a secondary god. Often it is different than in the rest of the world, in that Mormons tend to be seeking riches for the purpose of saving. In my mind it is a hollow excuse for greed, whether that money is flaunted or hoarded, it is the same sin. All saints should read &quot;The Enoch Letters,&quot; by Elder Maxwell. There are many more things to look at, nevertheless, I think it is clear.

All that said, I love the saints and have more friends here than anywhere I have lived. However, as I said, I am LDS. What if I was Mexican Catholic or African, or heaven forbid a Democrat! I wonder...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This brings up a much neglected yet much needed point.I am an out-of-state transplant to southern Utah. My family and I are very active in the church. My wife and I have both in the past, and currently hold leadership positions. A most distressing aspect of life here is &#8220;Cultural Mormonism.&#8221; That is the very point of this essay I believe. Cultural Mormonism is often a far cry from true and active Christianity. </p>
<p>A few points of Cultural Mormonism:</p>
<p>1. An unreasonable loyalty with a particular political party. Many members refuse to look at the ideas of anyone outside of their party. They often develop an assumption that anyone voting outside the &#8220;Mormon-norm,&#8221; is somehow less faithful.</p>
<p>2. A nearly cult-like obsession with any comment uttered by a general authority or eead in the Ensign. Nowhere but in Utah will you see someone with a thousand pounds of wheat yet he will not give five dollars to a homeless man at Wal-Mart. </p>
<p>3.The clannishness of many Utahns is the reason missionary work is harder here than almost anywhere else. Many Utah Mormons are only &#8220;Their brother&#8217;s keeper,&#8221; if he is a viable prospect for baptism.</p>
<p>4.It seems the most extreme, pure capitalists are also in Utah. While capitalism can be a good thing, far too many saints are polytheistic; money is often a secondary god. Often it is different than in the rest of the world, in that Mormons tend to be seeking riches for the purpose of saving. In my mind it is a hollow excuse for greed, whether that money is flaunted or hoarded, it is the same sin. All saints should read &#8220;The Enoch Letters,&#8221; by Elder Maxwell. There are many more things to look at, nevertheless, I think it is clear.</p>
<p>All that said, I love the saints and have more friends here than anywhere I have lived. However, as I said, I am LDS. What if I was Mexican Catholic or African, or heaven forbid a Democrat! I wonder&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Missing Mormon Men by Todd Hadden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Hadden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is it that &quot;Mormons have one of the most lopsided gender ratios of any religion&quot; with 44% male but &quot;According to a recent survey, the typical U.S. congregation is 61% female&quot;. Do other religions pad thier number too, or is there 105% attendance.
Unmarried women attend church to find a mate and unmarried men stay away so they don&#039;t have to get married.

Tah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it that &#8220;Mormons have one of the most lopsided gender ratios of any religion&#8221; with 44% male but &#8220;According to a recent survey, the typical U.S. congregation is 61% female&#8221;. Do other religions pad thier number too, or is there 105% attendance.<br />
Unmarried women attend church to find a mate and unmarried men stay away so they don&#8217;t have to get married.</p>
<p>Tah</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tithing &#8211; on Gross, Net, or Surplus? by Tithing &#8211; A Regressive Tax? &#171; The Contrarian Mormon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tithing &#8211; A Regressive Tax? &#171; The Contrarian Mormon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on A Forgotten Event in LDS History? by A Forgotten Event &#8211; Part 2 &#171; The Contrarian Mormon</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Forgotten Event &#8211; Part 2 &#171; The Contrarian Mormon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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